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== John Stuart Mill and ''Eagan v Canada'' ==
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'''Liberty in Law: John Stuart Mill'''<br/><br/>
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[[File:New York City Proposition 8 Protest outside LDS temple 20.jpg|thumbnail|right|New York City Proposition 8 Protest Outside LDS Temple]]
To understand the principles that would be applied by John Stuart Mill, we will examine the principles through Polygamy:
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Liberty in law focuses on the question of whether law is or should be connected to morality. Specifically, should the law interfere with private choices? Generally, liberty theory values the autonomy and liberty of individuals over state interference. This means that while government restriction may be necessary in some cases, it can only restrict individual liberty in accordance with certain principles.
* Polygamy is potentially harmful because it forces many women to share one man, and that would not be fair.
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The Harm Principle restricts individual liberty only to prevent serious harm to others, and Mill believes this is the only legitimate justification for restricting liberty. <br/><br/>
* BUT it should be legal because ultimately the individual is the best judge of their own situation, and society should really step back.
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Paternalism states that the restriction of individual liberty is justified to protect a person from harm caused by the exercise of a liberty. <br/><br/>
:Indented line * Polygamy should be legal, but closely observed because of the potential for harm to be done <br/>
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Legal moralism instead restricts individual liberty where actions of individuals undermine “social” or “community” morals/values. For example, the decisions of R v Butler and R v Shark confirmed that even the written fiction of child pornography (which didn’t involve actually harming any real children) that Shark had created was illegal because its content corroded the community and the rules that governed it.<br/><br/>
Polygamy is different than gay marriage:
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The offence principle restriction of individual liberty states that restrictions on individual liberty are only justified to ensure that others are not unduly offended. For example, laws against public indecency ensure that members of the general public are not unduly offended while carrying out their daily business. <br/><br/>
* In gay marriage, there is no harm to one-another (no sharing with other people)
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JS Mill takes a more narrow approach in his theory, and states that liberty should be interfered with only where the limitation can be justified under the harm principle. He further argues that there is a general presumption by law that favours individual liberty over interference by the law. In general interference with the individual is wrong because ultimately it is the individual who is the best situated to judge his or her own needs. <br/><br/>
* Limits are only justified where harm is done to another person, however minimal that harm is.
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Mill does argue that authority is needed to limit individual liberty, but notes that the authority cannot be unlimited either. Authority is necessary to prevent violent anarchy, but power itself is inherently despotic. Mill compares authority to a bird with great talons, which has the potential to turn the talons inward on its citizens; this risk means limits must be put on the talons.<br/><br/>
* In the case of gay marriage, no harm is done to a third party.
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'''Paternalism: Dworkin Challenges Mill'''<br/><br/>
:Indented line * An individual choice by two people who happen to be of the same gender to get married = private business
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Dworkin believes that he’s developing his theories in line with JS Mill. He justifies paternalistic interference only as a method to prevent long term or irreversible damage to a person’s autonomy. In this limited way, paternalistic interference preserves autonomy more generally. Both theorists connect liberty to autonomy, and to the core of what it is to be a human being. <br/><br/>
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Direct prohibitions are used as the vehicle of paternalism. For example, enforcing a law that requires citizens to wear helmets while riding a bike is a paternalistic, direct prohibition that protects citizens by limiting their liberty. Similarly, the legislated 40 our workweek limits the liberty of workers to choose how much to work, but also protects them from the inevitable pressure of a capitalist economy to work a greater and greater number of hours in order to remain competitive.<br/><br/>
JSM would actually argue that the judgement in ''Eagan v Canada'' was wrongly reasoned, and that the ‘policy reason’ regarding the greater benefits the couple would gain from not being married was a paternalistic interference with individual liberty that was unwarranted .  
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'''A Real-world Example: Liberty, Paternalism and the Polygamy Reference'''<br/><br/>
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Here, the principles of liberty and paternalism will be test-run by applying them to the Polygamy Reference.<br/><br/>
[[File:Non-threatening gay person Stephen Colbert.jpg|framed|left|Stephen Colbert]]
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Mill would consider whether or not polygamy should be prohibited based on its potential to harm people. For example, because polygamy has many women sharing one man, the structure of the relationship may be unfair to the women, and do them harm.<br/><br/>
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However, because it is uncertain whether or not there would be harm resulting from a polygamous relationship, it should be legal because ultimately the individual is the best judge of his or her own situation, and society must step back and allows the individual to lead their life unhindered. Mill concludes that polygamy should be legal, but closely observed because of the potential for harm.<br/><br/>
'''Alternate Ending 1'''
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Polygamy is different than gay marriage. In gay marriage, there is no potential harm transferred between partners because (like any heterosexual couple) there is no sharing with others. Limits are only justified where harm is done to another person. In the case of gay marriage, no harm is done to a third party, and structurally a homosexual marriage is no different than a homosexual one. An individual choice by two people who happen to be of the same gender to get married is private business, in which society has no right to interfere where there is no harm done.<br/><br/>
Potentially the court would have gotten away with the ruling if they’d approached gay marriage through the lens of legal moralism and argued that gay marriage was an act that undermined social/community values (like possession of child porn in R v Butler and R v Shark).
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'''Considering ''Egan v Canada'''''<br/><br/>
* But likely they would have failed here as well, given that JSM has already stated the greater extreme – polygamy – should be legal and does not warrant interference from the state.
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JS Mill would argue that the judgement in ''Egan v Canada'' was wrongly decided, and that the ‘policy reason’ regarding the greater benefits the couple would gain from not being married was a paternalistic interference with individual liberty that was unwarranted. No harm was being done within the couple, so the state had no justification for interfering. <br/><br/>
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Dworkin would likely also argue that the paternalistic interference of the state with the private affairs of personal relationships was unacceptable. Dworkin’s justification for interference hinges on the idea that the state interferes only to protect those unable to make rational decisions to protect themselves. Given that the homosexual couple in ''Egan v Canada'' consisted of two consenting adults, the state has no justification for interfering. <br/><br/>
[[File:Stephen Colbert GayMarriage.jpg|thumbnail|right|Stephen Colbert]]
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'''Alternate Ending: 1'''<br/><br/>
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Potentially the court would have gotten away with the ruling if they’d approached gay marriage through the lens of legal moralism and argued that gay marriage was an act that undermined social or community values. Similar to the line of reasoning used by the court in ''R v Butler'' and ''R v Shark''.<br/><br/>
'''Alternative Ending 2'''
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'''Alternative Ending: 2 '''<br/><br/>
If the historical context of the judges is considered, potentially they would have relied on JSM’s concept of non-agedness to state that homosexual persons were not of a sufficient capacity to make decisions concerning their personal lives, similar to children. By ruling homosexuals non-aged persons, the court could have justified infringing on the Plaintiff’s autonomy as JSM states that despotism is an acceptable form of rule or interference for non-aged persons.
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If the historical context of the judgement is considered, potentially the court could have relied on Dworkin’s concept of non-agedness to state that homosexual persons were not of a sufficient capacity to make decisions concerning their personal lives. This would mean the court would have to find homosexuals of a similar mental capacity to children. By ruling homosexuals to be non-aged persons, the court could have justified infringing on the Plaintiff’s autonomy as JS Mill states that despotism is an acceptable form of rule for interference with non-aged persons

Latest revision as of 10:12, 27 March 2014

Liberty in Law: John Stuart Mill

New York City Proposition 8 Protest Outside LDS Temple

Liberty in law focuses on the question of whether law is or should be connected to morality. Specifically, should the law interfere with private choices? Generally, liberty theory values the autonomy and liberty of individuals over state interference. This means that while government restriction may be necessary in some cases, it can only restrict individual liberty in accordance with certain principles. The Harm Principle restricts individual liberty only to prevent serious harm to others, and Mill believes this is the only legitimate justification for restricting liberty.

Paternalism states that the restriction of individual liberty is justified to protect a person from harm caused by the exercise of a liberty.

Legal moralism instead restricts individual liberty where actions of individuals undermine “social” or “community” morals/values. For example, the decisions of R v Butler and R v Shark confirmed that even the written fiction of child pornography (which didn’t involve actually harming any real children) that Shark had created was illegal because its content corroded the community and the rules that governed it.

The offence principle restriction of individual liberty states that restrictions on individual liberty are only justified to ensure that others are not unduly offended. For example, laws against public indecency ensure that members of the general public are not unduly offended while carrying out their daily business.

JS Mill takes a more narrow approach in his theory, and states that liberty should be interfered with only where the limitation can be justified under the harm principle. He further argues that there is a general presumption by law that favours individual liberty over interference by the law. In general interference with the individual is wrong because ultimately it is the individual who is the best situated to judge his or her own needs.

Mill does argue that authority is needed to limit individual liberty, but notes that the authority cannot be unlimited either. Authority is necessary to prevent violent anarchy, but power itself is inherently despotic. Mill compares authority to a bird with great talons, which has the potential to turn the talons inward on its citizens; this risk means limits must be put on the talons.

Paternalism: Dworkin Challenges Mill

Dworkin believes that he’s developing his theories in line with JS Mill. He justifies paternalistic interference only as a method to prevent long term or irreversible damage to a person’s autonomy. In this limited way, paternalistic interference preserves autonomy more generally. Both theorists connect liberty to autonomy, and to the core of what it is to be a human being.

Direct prohibitions are used as the vehicle of paternalism. For example, enforcing a law that requires citizens to wear helmets while riding a bike is a paternalistic, direct prohibition that protects citizens by limiting their liberty. Similarly, the legislated 40 our workweek limits the liberty of workers to choose how much to work, but also protects them from the inevitable pressure of a capitalist economy to work a greater and greater number of hours in order to remain competitive.

A Real-world Example: Liberty, Paternalism and the Polygamy Reference

Here, the principles of liberty and paternalism will be test-run by applying them to the Polygamy Reference.

Mill would consider whether or not polygamy should be prohibited based on its potential to harm people. For example, because polygamy has many women sharing one man, the structure of the relationship may be unfair to the women, and do them harm.

However, because it is uncertain whether or not there would be harm resulting from a polygamous relationship, it should be legal because ultimately the individual is the best judge of his or her own situation, and society must step back and allows the individual to lead their life unhindered. Mill concludes that polygamy should be legal, but closely observed because of the potential for harm.

Polygamy is different than gay marriage. In gay marriage, there is no potential harm transferred between partners because (like any heterosexual couple) there is no sharing with others. Limits are only justified where harm is done to another person. In the case of gay marriage, no harm is done to a third party, and structurally a homosexual marriage is no different than a homosexual one. An individual choice by two people who happen to be of the same gender to get married is private business, in which society has no right to interfere where there is no harm done.

Considering Egan v Canada

JS Mill would argue that the judgement in Egan v Canada was wrongly decided, and that the ‘policy reason’ regarding the greater benefits the couple would gain from not being married was a paternalistic interference with individual liberty that was unwarranted. No harm was being done within the couple, so the state had no justification for interfering.

Dworkin would likely also argue that the paternalistic interference of the state with the private affairs of personal relationships was unacceptable. Dworkin’s justification for interference hinges on the idea that the state interferes only to protect those unable to make rational decisions to protect themselves. Given that the homosexual couple in Egan v Canada consisted of two consenting adults, the state has no justification for interfering.

Alternate Ending: 1

Potentially the court would have gotten away with the ruling if they’d approached gay marriage through the lens of legal moralism and argued that gay marriage was an act that undermined social or community values. Similar to the line of reasoning used by the court in R v Butler and R v Shark.

Alternative Ending: 2

If the historical context of the judgement is considered, potentially the court could have relied on Dworkin’s concept of non-agedness to state that homosexual persons were not of a sufficient capacity to make decisions concerning their personal lives. This would mean the court would have to find homosexuals of a similar mental capacity to children. By ruling homosexuals to be non-aged persons, the court could have justified infringing on the Plaintiff’s autonomy as JS Mill states that despotism is an acceptable form of rule for interference with non-aged persons