https://kumu.tru.ca/index.php?title=Course:Law3020/2014WT1/Group_L/Separation_Thesis&feed=atom&action=historyCourse:Law3020/2014WT1/Group L/Separation Thesis - Revision history2024-03-29T09:05:55ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.8https://kumu.tru.ca/index.php?title=Course:Law3020/2014WT1/Group_L/Separation_Thesis&diff=3456&oldid=prevKruhlakj13 at 17:59, 25 March 20142014-03-25T17:59:26Z<p></p>
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</table>Kruhlakj13https://kumu.tru.ca/index.php?title=Course:Law3020/2014WT1/Group_L/Separation_Thesis&diff=3453&oldid=prevKruhlakj13 at 17:59, 25 March 20142014-03-25T17:59:03Z<p></p>
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</table>Kruhlakj13https://kumu.tru.ca/index.php?title=Course:Law3020/2014WT1/Group_L/Separation_Thesis&diff=3449&oldid=prevKruhlakj13 at 17:57, 25 March 20142014-03-25T17:57:58Z<p></p>
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</table>Kruhlakj13https://kumu.tru.ca/index.php?title=Course:Law3020/2014WT1/Group_L/Separation_Thesis&diff=3445&oldid=prevKruhlakj13: /* The Separation Theory */2014-03-25T17:57:33Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">The Separation Theory</span></span></p>
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</table>Kruhlakj13https://kumu.tru.ca/index.php?title=Course:Law3020/2014WT1/Group_L/Separation_Thesis&diff=3398&oldid=prevKruhlakj13: /* Application to Geffen v Goodman Estates */2014-03-25T17:41:29Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Application to Geffen v Goodman Estates</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fuller would find that the presumption of undue influence would strongly represent a moral law. Being based in equity, the presumption of undue influence, guides society on moral behaviour, allowing for the creation of good order. Fuller would confirm that the presumption of undue influence has sufficient inner morality to function as a good law because it protects minorities and the trust required for a proper transaction, making for a more stable and organized society.<br /></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fuller would find that the presumption of undue influence would strongly represent a moral law. Being based in equity, the presumption of undue influence, guides society on moral behaviour, allowing for the creation of good order. Fuller would confirm that the presumption of undue influence has sufficient inner morality to function as a good law because it protects minorities and the trust required for a proper transaction, making for a more stable and organized society.<br /></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If a case falls outside the “settled core meaning” this is a “penumbra.” A penumbra arises when laws have an “unclear or indeterminate” meaning. <ref>Susan Dimock, Classic Readings and Canadian Cases in the Philosophy of Law. Toronto: Pearson Education Canada, 2002 at 183.</ref> To settle penumbra cases, judges need to pull from the core settled meaning and interpret the meanings to draft an appropriate conclusion. Hart explains, judges evolve laws by resolving cases which fall into this category. To Hart, judges draw from the rule governed practices and apply rules to maintain a consistent judgements so others can follow the development of the law.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If a case falls outside the “settled core meaning” this is a “penumbra.” A penumbra arises when laws have an “unclear or indeterminate” meaning. <ref>Susan Dimock, Classic Readings and Canadian Cases in the Philosophy of Law. Toronto: Pearson Education Canada, 2002 at 183.</ref> To settle penumbra cases, judges need to pull from the core settled meaning and interpret the meanings to draft an appropriate conclusion. Hart explains, judges evolve laws by resolving cases which fall into this category. To Hart, judges draw from the rule governed practices and apply rules to maintain a consistent judgements so others can follow the development of the law.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hart would likely argue that the continued existence of equitable principles, like the presumption of undue influence is based on coincidence. While these principles initially arose to combat the harshness of common law, they merely exists to fill common law gaps and are no longer grounded in morality.<br /></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hart would likely argue that the continued existence of equitable principles, like the presumption of undue influence is based on coincidence. While these principles initially arose to combat the harshness of common law, they merely exists to fill common law gaps and are no longer grounded in morality.<br /></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If a case falls outside the “settled core meaning” this is a “penumbra.” A penumbra arises when laws have an “unclear or indeterminate” meaning. <ref>Susan Dimock, Classic Readings and Canadian Cases in the Philosophy of Law. Toronto: Pearson Education Canada, 2002 at 183.</ref> To settle penumbra cases, judges need to pull from the core settled meaning and interpret the meanings to draft an appropriate conclusion. Hart explains, judges evolve laws by resolving cases which fall into this category. To Hart, judges draw from the rule governed practices and apply rules to maintain a consistent judgements so others can follow the development of the law.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If a case falls outside the “settled core meaning” this is a “penumbra.” A penumbra arises when laws have an “unclear or indeterminate” meaning. <ref>Susan Dimock, Classic Readings and Canadian Cases in the Philosophy of Law. Toronto: Pearson Education Canada, 2002 at 183.</ref> To settle penumbra cases, judges need to pull from the core settled meaning and interpret the meanings to draft an appropriate conclusion. Hart explains, judges evolve laws by resolving cases which fall into this category. To Hart, judges draw from the rule governed practices and apply rules to maintain a consistent judgements so others can follow the development of the law.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hart would likely argue that the continued existence of equitable principles, like the presumption of undue influence is based on coincidence. While these principles initially arose to combat the harshness of common law, they merely exists to fill common law gaps and are no longer grounded in morality.<br /></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hart would likely argue that the continued existence of equitable principles, like the presumption of undue influence is based on coincidence. While these principles initially arose to combat the harshness of common law, they merely exists to fill common law gaps and are no longer grounded in morality.<br /></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hart may assert that the presumption of undue influence is not a command, but would be followed for various reasons other than fear of punishment. It is likely the majority would exercise caution in situations where this presumption can arise because it is in their best interest in the moment and in the long term. <br /></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hart may assert that the presumption of undue influence is not a command, but would be followed for various reasons other than fear of punishment. It is likely the majority would exercise caution in situations where this presumption can arise because it is in their best interest in the moment and in the long term. <br /></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fuller would find that the presumption of undue influence would strongly represent a moral law. Being based in equity, the presumption of undue influence, guides society on moral behaviour, allowing for the creation of good order. Fuller would confirm that the presumption of undue influence has sufficient inner morality to function as a good law because it protects minorities and the trust required for a proper transaction, making for a more stable and organized society.<br /></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fuller would find that the presumption of undue influence would strongly represent a moral law. Being based in equity, the presumption of undue influence, guides society on moral behaviour, allowing for the creation of good order. Fuller would confirm that the presumption of undue influence has sufficient inner morality to function as a good law because it protects minorities and the trust required for a proper transaction, making for a more stable and organized society.<br /></div></td></tr>
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